Episode 135

The Right to Protest and Useful Idiots

Published on: 15th September, 2024

Have you heard the term, useful idiot? What kind of elements are behind the organized protests against Israel and for terrorist organizations, e.g., Hamas?

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Episode 135 (27 minutes) was recorded on September 13, 2024, by podcaster, Martin Lindeskog, with Boomcaster. Editing, post-production, and transcript with the podcast maker, Alitu. Notes to self written on Mod 1927 notecards. Bumper and jingle by Jim Jonsson, JTunes Productions. 

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Eagle Net cost Welcome to Ego Netcost live streaming.

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My name is Martin Lindeskook.

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Today is still first day in America, so I will

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use the Mjolnir Thor's hammer for Torstog in Swedish and ventilate a bit about the topic.

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And today's title was the right of to protest.

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And I looked at the Wikipedia thing there

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about protest thing, what you're to demonstrate and then if you know about the

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term expression useful idiot.

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And I will include that in the show notes when

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I editing this into a podcast episode of ego Netcast podcast, I think it's 135, I believe

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it is.

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So that's an expression that also will

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include, as I said, it could sound harsh, but it's interesting words meaning an expression

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useful idiot.

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And it has a connection together with the

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right to protest and people who are very keen on demonstrating.

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And I have a note card here for the live viewers on model 1927, written by hand, a

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pencil in order to keep track here.

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Again, I want to have this short and sweet for

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my own sake and for you as a listener and watcher viewer to have it around 15 minutes.

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This topic could talk a long time, that's for sure.

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And again you could wonder why talk about this?

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Is it useful to do? But it triggered me.

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And then, as I will say at the ending, I wanted to get it out in my way on my platform,

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because I have an expression here at the end that I will made up expression what could

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happen on the Internet and by having arguing online.

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And I've been there for a long time, but also back in the day it was, you could have argued

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on bulletin boards, bbs, and then you had to put in a hashtag with your topic name, for

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example, as we did Lyceum, where the channel called Lyceum and talking about Rand's

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philosophy, objectivism.

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And there we had certain ground rules, what,

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how you have the debate and discussion and discourse and what was allowed to say, and not

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because it was our so called room.

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And then of course you have to follow a room

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of interrelated chat also and freedom of expression.

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And that's the whole thing that we're coming to here as an introduction here.

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It's already some minutes here and I was a bit late also, so you have to take it what it is.

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I will try to do this as a routine and see if I get going here in order to create content.

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So I saw an Instagram photo and a post on the Swedish Britain, you party in Gothenburg,

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Sweden called the Democrats and they have said that so called a camp, tent camp of

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demonstrators that have could say occupied.

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And this is where it gets complicated.

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The university area.

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Gothenburg University.

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University of Gothenburg.

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On a hill.

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You could say it's middle of the city, so you'll see it.

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And that was my personal reaction, to see these tents, camps with this flag by the so

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called palestinian territory.

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And also, of course, I'm for freedom

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expression.

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It's a satire, but it was of a prime minister

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with blood on his face.

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And then all kind of.

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And I don't like that expression, but hate speech against Israel in different ways.

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Sometimes it's so called between the lines.

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And then you hear, probably when you hear and

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listen to this, when we are shouting and propaganda and the microphones.

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And also if you talk in another language, it can be in different ways.

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I come back to this in the future.

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So it's so called some students, but it seems

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to be other elements that what I wrote in the description.

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Also, if you know about the elements, and that has to do with the term useful idiots who are

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demonstrating who is behind this, what kind of elements, who is supporting this kind of

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thing.

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Because I'm, as they say, Elon Musk is free

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speech absolutist.

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And I am that also, even with things that I

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don't agree with.

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I know, and this is where the scary part comes

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in.

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If some of these elements will gain power, I

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will not be allowed to speak up, that's for sure.

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Because if you speak up for freedom of expression, free speech, rational ideas, free

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society, free market, what could happen then? And that we have seen during the history.

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So it was a post by a party in Gothenburg, the Democrats, that said that these tent camps

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occupying the university area in Gothenburg, middle of Gothenburg, in the city, that's

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illegal.

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They don't have any permission.

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When you do a regular demonstration walking, you have to ask for a permit from police.

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And then again, I have solution to this problem.

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And also if you really have a right to demonstrate whenever on so called, and I do an

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air quote here on public land in a city or a university.

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And that's again, that's the crux of a problem.

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Why this getting so complicated? Because it's pretty easy in a way.

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And I know individuals who really going to digging into this rules about having

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demonstration permits, what to do.

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Because this is a political agenda, this is

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political correctness and pushing some lobbyists and others.

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If some other views will come across that I don't either agree with, then it will probably

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be some other decisions.

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But that also have happened back in the day.

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And they are pretty similar.

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That's the thing.

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They are united against Israel, the National Socialists, the regular socialists and the

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militant Muslims against Israel.

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And for the record, I'm not a religious

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person.

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I'm not for the so called corkscrews, orthodox

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Jews that have special rights, so to speak.

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And the Knesset is, you could say, in a mess,

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in a way the political situation is instable.

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I think Netanyahu, yao, or how you say him, is

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too weak that you don't often hear.

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They think that he is in hawk, but that's his

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problem there.

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And I think hopefully a so called middle class

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in Israel, a secular middle class, will come up with a party or a movement to have real

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stable secular society.

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And.

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Yeah, so the whole situation and of course historical.

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And now we're going on tangent here already around ten minutes, the history and the word

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Palestine and the former word of Israel and how they did this map and how we draw the

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lines and the maps.

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And then of course, United nations declaration

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there with Israel as a state and so on.

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But I said on my comment here on the Democrats

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in Gutenberg, thanks for supporting a secular Gothenburg and then used the atheist symbol or

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the nuclear symbol, the purple one.

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Now I'm drawing, see, like this.

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And then in the middle dot the nuclear power and symbol of atheism.

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And that's the absence of God.

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I'm not.

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It's not the perfect definition of myself, but in this case I use it.

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So when I comment on that it was a person without real name.

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Of course, you could always find them.

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I think this person, I think it's.

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He did the selfie and so on in his own photo, Instagram photos.

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But he said something common to me.

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What do you mean by secular?

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And why is the Democrats, the Democrat party in Gothenburg, why are they for that?

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And the so called right to protest or demonstrate or really to occupy a property, a

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land in the city near the university.

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So it looks sms.

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It's not nice to see.

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It's been there for a long time.

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They are in the way of traffic and others.

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It looks, as I said, ugly.

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It's not a nice symbol, we could say, for learning in university.

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But then the commentators say that we should have this.

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And then I comment back and then he comment back again.

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And that got me thinking, should I continue with this, to comment or come up with a

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response? And I know individuals that have really worked

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on this issue and problem, so I will come back with that.

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But then I mentioned that these who called protesters and demonstrators were against

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Israel for some reason, and they are for and supporter of Hamas in one way or another, and

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other terrorist organizations that are listed as terrorist organizations.

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So then I commented also linking to a son of Hamas founders.

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Now, as you pronounce the name right, Musab Hassan Youssef.

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So include that in Michonne podcast episode.

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He was the son of a Hamas founder, and now he

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fled where I'm coming from, if it was Palestine, so called Palestine, or Lebanon, or

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some other place in the Middle east, and then move to America.

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That said, it's interesting that the so called leaders of Hamas, many of them.

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Where are they located? Have a guess.

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I think one place is like Qatar or something like that.

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Maybe Saudi Arabia, I don't know.

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But that's something you could follow, so

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called the money, and that's the aid money that's going to.

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That are controlled by the UN so called educational school system.

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And what they are teaching in these schools about Israel, about youth and the hatred

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coming there, and how male students, how they learn from an early age.

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And I will find a video including that in to hate the use being against Israel.

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And then take up arms and join Hamas.

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That is a terrorist organization.

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And recently it was an incident here in Gothenburg by a leftist left party or its

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former communist party in Gothenburg.

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And there it was an organizer there that I've

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done lots of protests and demonstrations in the public.

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And he and I don't know, the cameras, or how do you call it, overview cameras, ECTs or ETCs

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or whatever it's called, cameras.

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Who started the fight, where it was a

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journalist that had been writing for the Gutenberg Post.

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And now he's more like you could say, independent citizen journalist.

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And he get support from the viewers and so on.

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And he had done some research on this leftist

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party member representing left party in goodwill and wanted to ask things about that.

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And this guy supposedly then hit him and to the ground, took his phone.

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And we'll see how that Fred is going, if you do a search on that.

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So again, this guy, the commentator on the Democrats thread, but I will comment it as a

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support for what we are saying that therefore freedom of expression as myself.

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But it's illegal what they are doing now.

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They have done this now for a long time,

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occupied this area, messing things up and having these tents and all these things that

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we have in this area.

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So do they have a permission to be there?

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What's this land? Who's owning that?

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Are you allowed to do this kind of thing? And then this commentator said something about

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the European Commission.

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Then I had to search for it in order to

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protest or demonstrate.

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And that articles nine to eleven.

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And that's talking about freedom of expression, freedom of, how you say, joined

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groups and movements and freedom of speech.

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But then also to have peaceful demonstrations.

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And the word is peaceful.

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And what's going on in this occupied area of

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the university land is not so peaceful, I think.

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So that's something to think about.

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And who's behind these elements?

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And are they students of Gothenburg University or they're coming from others?

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This is coming back to the day.

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And I'm not a fan of Bush's former presidents,

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but when he came, and when I was in America, came for a visit to Gothenburg, it was this

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rally in Gothenburg.

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People taking up stones from the roads,

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throwing it.

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It was a mess, total mess.

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And then the police had to come in, because these were organized around Europe, called the

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zoo, called the streets, demonstrators of a street or something like that.

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And this occupy movement.

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And it was total a mess.

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These are organized in different ways.

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I did a so called back in the day, a pro

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counter demonstra demonstration.

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One person, one individual with an american

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flag.

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And I didn't interrupt the demonstration.

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I was standing on central of Sweden, near the Poseidon statue on the avenue in Gothenburg,

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and talked to the police.

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And there it was, this crowd against so called

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american war, against Iraq and the dictator Saddam Hussein.

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So there was support for dictator Saddam Hussein against the so called invasion.

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And what, and I say for record, it was not the best way to do it.

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They should have attacked the dictators and the ayatollahs in Iran, because that's the

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center of terrorism.

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Supporting organizations like Hamas.

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In their case, it's more Hezbollah, what I know about.

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And that we could come back for another day.

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What's the so called difference and

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resemblance? And they unite against a common enemy, plot

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different forms of Islam, Shiites and whatnot.

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So do you have the right to do this and what's

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the solution? And when I search for my favorite author and

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philosopher Rand, Miss Rand, about articles and essays about this, and I found that I will

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link and read again and see what saying the title was the cash in colonization, the

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student rebellion.

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Because back in the day, in the seventies, it

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was almost you were left leaning, or you were even more left like a communist, or even more.

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And that's all the splinter groups that's happening.

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And also her essay called man's rights about property rights.

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Now take a sip of tea here.

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Cheers.

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Drinking english breakfast black tea blend.

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So the solution for this is what's property

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rights and do the university.

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And this is getting complicated because it's

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like a so called public education institution, I think.

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It's not a private one.

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So who's owning the land?

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Is it the commune or is it the institution somehow how it's working but mere phase of it

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to set up a tent.

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Of course, if you can move it, but put it so

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you can't move it and then be there for a very long time, do you have a right to do that or

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could they be somewhere else? And the solution here, I have a card here to

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have a positive thing about what you could learn from it.

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It was a discussion between Amy peacoff on her channel, her video channel, on what's called

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Bitshoot Channel, talking with Insta Pundit, blogger Glenn Reynolds, and he is in lawyer or

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law professor, and he talked about how indifferent, when it was these demonstrations

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in, in America, what was going on.

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Some university did it in a good way,

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proactive way, and some were doing it.

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Yes, it got even worse.

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What could you learn from that? Again, so about these different elements is

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something to think about, who's behind these organizations and demonstrates and what are

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they saying? As I said, I'm not for this classification of

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hate speech and what's that for freedom of expression, but we have to take account and

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take responsibility for what we are saying.

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And these expression hate against Israel and

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the support of the terrorist organizations, that's something to think about.

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And again, why are they doing this? And it's this like organized and this that I

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was coming to useful idiots that was used with connection with, I think it was Leonin and

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others and different, again, splinter groups on the left and the communists and also here

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in Europe, then how they could use useful idiots for their purposes.

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So that's something to dig into more.

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Who is behind this demonstration and this tent

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camp and who are in the tents? And are they peaceful or are they aggressive?

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And what's their goal? That's something to think about also, because

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you could see all the props there with maps of so called when palestinian territory and the

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history and Israel and go and read the source.

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What are the Hamas organization?

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What are they saying? What are they standing for?

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And who attacked Israel in the beginning of the year and killed civilians and Israel

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response and how, what's the solution for this problem and this situation now?

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It will be more like half an hour.

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I was planning of 50 minutes, but yeah, it's a

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topic you could talk more about in a civilized way.

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But I will do the ending here.

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I will talk to a friend that is very into this

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situation when I have learned about it and doing it in very great work, but the legal

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things about this and how it should be done.

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So she has a great project there.

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So I will see if she has something coming up with something that I could share in this

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comment thread, like my last remark.

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But I think this person has, as I call it in

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Swedish, tid posina fingerar or time on your fingers, or you have time on your hands doing

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nothing.

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And you had to have the so called last word

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and you're sitting there with a keyboard and waiting for me to respond.

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And because I said thanks for supporting a secular Gotenburg, that was it.

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Of course, you could think what's that to do with the post about that it's illegal tent

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camp.

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But again, if you look what Hamas is standing

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for, because they are supporting Hamas and call it that, it should be not listed as a

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terrorist organization and whatnot.

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So you have that and that again against

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Israel.

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It's the socialist, it's the National

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Socialist and the militant Muslims, and they are religious to the core and they are reading

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the so called holy scripture as the devil is doing that, and then have this hatred and

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aggression and violence and terror activism.

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And I can't get it how you could support these

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kind of organizations.

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Israel is not perfect.

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They have issues.

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And you also have to understand the history.

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And I bought a book fair some years ago from an organization supporting a peaceful way in

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Israel.

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And it was very informative about the whole

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history, all the details with solutions, what you could do and how we continue.

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And this as a call to action.

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I'm very interested as a new media advisor,

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supporter of a podcast in 2.0 initiative to support freedom of expression in a peaceful

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way.

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We could continue the conversation and the

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discourse and the debate.

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But again, this commentator have some kind of

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agenda, but then playing this role that I have to explain myself and probably continue to

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reply and reply again and again.

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I don't know what was trigger, if he is a

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secular person, but Hamas supporter or whatnot, or if it's really supporting peaceful

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demonstrations that I don't think this tent camp is so, but we will see and we will follow

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this along here in Gothenburg, Sweden.

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And if you have anything that you want to

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share, any examples from your area, what's going on and if you have any ideas, what's the

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elements behind these demonstrations and actions against Israel and these demonstrators

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that are really supporters of terrorist organizations, for example, Hamas.

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And if they are organized that have a long history of useful idiots.

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And with that I say Cheerio and talk to you soon again.

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Bye for now.

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Sadeena Namdeh.

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